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    SubjectRe: [Ext2-devel] [PATCH 1/2] ext2/3: Support 2^32-1 blocks(Kernel)

    On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 16:48 -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:

    > > It would be easy enough to define a new flag that indicates that
    > > there is always X amount of space reserved for inode fields, and to set
    > > that in fsck if all inodes on the fs obey that restriction. Then it
    > > just comes down to picking a number X that is likely to satisfy all the
    > > short-term demands for new inode fields.
    > We could change ext3_new_inode() today to reserve, say, 12 or 16 more
    > bytes for timestamps, even if they are not implemented yet. Having a
    > field in the superblock (tunable by the admin, concievably) to reserve
    > a total of X bytes for i_extra_isize has some appeal though.

    Exactly, because it's more than just the timestamps that we'd like to

    > __u32 i_(m|c|a)time_extended;

    > Are there any other needs right now?

    Potentially, yes. If we want to go 64-bits, then the extent maps can
    take care of indirect blocks, but we would still need:

    __le32 i_blocks; /* Blocks count */
    __le32 i_file_acl; /* File ACL */
    __le32 i_dir_acl; /* Directory ACL */

    to get an extra 32 bits. And there's the old favourite,

    __le16 i_links_count; /* Links count */

    which is a completely unnecessary limit on subdirs, which would be great
    to eliminate at the same time.

    We're not talking about a huge amount of space, here; I'd hate to
    reserve too little space for the next year or so and force people to go
    through a full forced fsck more than once to flag just a few more bytes
    as available.

    > My thought on the "extra" fields
    > in the inode is that they would always be on an "as available" basis,
    > so if e.g. we only had 8 bytes reserved we would get i_mtime_extended,
    > and i_ctime_extended, and not i_atime_extended.

    Yes, that's basically what we're already set up for with i_extra_size.

    The problem is that by the time we find we can't grow the inode fields,
    it may be too late. That's especially true with timestamps: ENOSPC is a
    bad return code for sys_utimes()! It's perhaps a little more reasonable
    to expect to have to deal with ENOSPC when we do a mkdir() or write().
    But a per-sb reserved-inode-growth field that fsck can always set, and
    that the overwhelming majority of filesystems will be able to satisfy,
    simply gets rid of *all* the edge cases by guaranteeing enough space.

    > ...a 32-bit
    > inode checksum...?

    Not something that anyone is using right now, but it's exactly the sort
    of thing that a superblock field would be ideal for.

    > It would also be good to understand what HURD is actually doing with
    > those other fields (if anything, does it even exist anymore?), since
    > it is literally holding TB of space unusable on Linux ext3 filesystems
    > that could better be put to use. There are i_translator, i_mode_high,
    > and i_author held hostage by HURD, and I certainly have never seen or
    > heard of any good description of what they do or if Linux would/could
    > ever use them, or if HURD could live without them.

    If they really are 100% necessary for hurd, it might be that we could
    relegate them to an xattr. There's the slight problem of testing,
    though; does anyone on ext2-devel actually run hurd, ever?

    > I'm fully in the "the chance of any real problem is vanishingly small"
    > camp, even though Lustre is one of the few users of large inodes. The
    > presence of the COMPAT field would not really be any different than just
    > changing ext3_new_inode() to make i_extra_isize 16 by default, except to
    > cause breakage against the older e2fsprogs.

    Setting i_extra_isize will break older e2fsprogs anyway, won't it?
    e2fsck needs to have full knowledge of all fs fields in order to
    maintain consistency; if it doesn't know about some of the fields whose
    presence is implied by i_extra_isize, then doesn't it have to abort?

    So for future-proofing, we do need some distinction between the fields
    actually *used* in i_extra_isize, and those simply reserved there. And
    that has to be per-inode, if we want to allow easy dynamic migration to
    newer fields.

    So a per-superblock field guaranteeing that there's at least $N bytes of
    usable *potential* i_extra_isize in each inode, and a per-inode
    i_extra_isize which shows which fields are *actively* used, gives us
    both pieces of information that we need.


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