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Wow, kudos to your work with the consequences of binary drivers. I certainly do not wish to add any redundant remarks of trolling sentences to this discussion. I've read +50 posts about binary drivers on this mailing list and in conclusion to that, I'd like to only add the following: My idea was not to compromise the structure of the kernel. Nothing should be changed here. I also see a very notable resistance to binary drivers from distributions. Looking at the way ATI and NVidia drivers are treated by Fedora, SUSE and Ubuntu, I actually think they too have an agenda on this matter, and somehow it resembles their agenda on av-codecs. It's a sneaky-sneaky thing - if the user doesn't know a binary driver exists, we won't tell him. FC5 recently released made this huge "oops... we banned non-GPL modules in the kernel". Anyways, I'm very happy with the combination of intelligence and idealism on this list, and suddenly I feel more attracted to writing a driver instead. For my Rio Karma mp3 player. It's a USB thing.. should be do-able in 3 months even though I've never written a driver. Cheers everybody, and thanks for sharing! =) / Benjamin Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 16:53 +0100, Benjamin Bach wrote: > >> Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> >>> there are over a thousand open source drivers, and at most a handful >>> binary ones. Please go do your math. >>> >>> >> You're doing the wrong comparison. How many drivers are missing >> > > not too many. This is largely because hardware interfaces are getting > increasingly standardized (it's cheaper for the hw vendors to not have > to create a new driver for Windows XP) > > >> or >> lacking in ability? >> > > some. But the vast majority is "good enough" by any standard. > > >> And if you add to your handful of binary drivers >> those thousands that exist for xp... >> > > then it's clear that linux is better off ;) > (and yes while XP has more drivers, in linux a driver would generally > drive the hardware that in the windows world uses 10 to 20 drivers) > > >> well, numbers do change. Also, most open source drivers aren't made by >> the vendors themselves. >> > > and? For standard interfaces... no big deal. > And for non-standard interfaces.. it's increasingly done with the vendor > help > > >> We're doing subjective math here. It doesn't change the fact that Linux >> would be better off with improved hardware support, right? >> > > yes. But "more binary drivers" is absolutely not "better off"; but > that's going towards the usual bimonthly troll topic so lets not go > there and stop here. > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ | ||||||||||
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