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SubjectRe: jack, PREEMPT_DESKTOP, delayed interrupts?
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On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 00:35, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Do a "tar cvf usr.tar /usr" just to read/write a lot to disk (this
> > within the same SATA disk). Watch memory being used in a system
> > monitor applet up to 100%. After a while, hard to say how long (maybe
> > 10/15 minutes?) the system eventually can get into a state where Jack
> > starts printing messages of the type "delay of 3856.000 usecs exceeds
> > estimated spare time of 2653.000; restart ..." (if I understand
> > correctly this means interrupts are being delayed on their way to
> > Jack, or at least Jack thinks they are arriving too late), along with
> > some less frequent xun notices.
> >
> > Now the strange thing is that this condition seems to be persistent.
> > Nothing I do after it starts to happen seems to halt those messages.
> > Including stopping Jack and starting it again, and even (tried it
> > once) stopping the alsa sound driver and loading it again. Nothing out
> > of the ordinary in dmesg or /var/log/messages. I would guess that
> > something "breaks" inside the kernel with regards to interrupt
> > handling and/or whatever Jack uses to measure time inside the kernel?
> > Interrupts are prioritized correctly (rtc, then audio and jack runs at
> > lower realtime priority than the audio interrupts), everything else
> > looks fine.
>
> are the messages unstoppable, even if the system is completely idle? And
> you get this only with the SMP kernel, correct?

That's correct. I have to try harder with a UP kernel but I'm short on
time. I should see how idle I can get the system (ie: logout, start
stopping processes), but quitting jack and all related apps and/or
restarting alsa does not fix the problem. Top does not show anything
strange in terms of cpu usage.

> i dont know what's going on, but here are a couple of ideas to debug
> this further:
>
> - could you check whether there are any SCHED_FIFO tasks that shouldnt
> be there:
>
> ps -meo pid,tid,class,rtprio,ni,pri,psr,pcpu,stat,wchan:14,comm | grep FF

Seems to be fine (I'm doing this remotely so I can't look at the screen
to see if jack is still spewing messages):

- 2 FF 99 - 139 0 0.0 S migration_thre -
- 3 FF 1 - 41 0 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 4 FF 1 - 41 0 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 5 FF 1 - 41 0 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 6 FF 1 - 41 0 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 7 FF 1 - 41 0 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 8 FF 1 - 41 0 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 10 FF 99 - 139 0 0.0 S watchdog -
- 11 FF 99 - 139 1 0.0 S migration_thre -
- 12 FF 1 - 41 1 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 13 FF 1 - 41 1 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 14 FF 1 - 41 1 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 15 FF 1 - 41 1 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 16 FF 1 - 41 1 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 17 FF 1 - 41 1 0.0 S ksoftirqd -
- 19 FF 99 - 139 1 0.0 S watchdog -
- 20 FF 1 - 41 0 0.0 S< worker_thread -
- 21 FF 1 - 41 1 0.0 S< worker_thread -
- 27 FF 49 - 89 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 295 FF 80 - 120 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 313 FF 49 - 89 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 346 FF 46 - 86 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 378 FF 50 - 90 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 408 FF 44 - 84 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 421 FF 60 - 100 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 923 FF 42 - 82 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 947 FF 41 - 81 0 0.0 S< irqd -
the next line is the soundcard interrupt:
- 1033 FF 70 - 110 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 1046 FF 69 - 109 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 1205 FF 59 - 99 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 3946 FF 37 - 77 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 3947 FF 36 - 76 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 3972 FF 35 - 75 0 0.0 S< irqd -
- 4434 FF 34 - 74 0 0.0 S< irqd -
These guys should be jackd (no clients are running):
- 4674 FF 61 - 101 1 0.2 SLl - -
- 4671 FF 72 - 112 1 0.0 SLsl - -
- 4672 FF 62 - 102 1 0.6 SLsl - -

Interrupt lines:
# cat /proc/interrupts
CPU0 CPU1
0: 112487 51273672 IO-APIC-edge [.........N/ 0] timer
1: 1 638 IO-APIC-edge [........../ 0] i8042
7: 2 1 IO-APIC-edge [..P......./ 0] parport0
8: 0 1 IO-APIC-edge [.........N/ 0] rtc
9: 0 0 IO-APIC-level [........../ 0] acpi
12: 128 25211 IO-APIC-edge [........../ 0] i8042
14: 1271 459434 IO-APIC-edge [........../ 0] ide0
177: 0 0 IO-APIC-level [........../ 0] libata
185: 2613 701940 IO-APIC-level [........../ 0] libata,
ehci_hcd:usb1
193: 609 174347 IO-APIC-level [........../ 0] SysKonnect
SK-98xx
201: 25124 38426783 IO-APIC-level [.........N/ 0] ICE1712,
ohci1394
209: 0 0 IO-APIC-level [.........N/ 0] NVidia
CK8S, ohci_hcd:usb2
217: 0 0 IO-APIC-level [........../ 0]
ohci_hcd:usb3
225: 11191 3327675 IO-APIC-level [........../ 0]
radeon@pci:0000:01:00.0
NMI: 0 0
LOC: 51386600 51386544
ERR: 1
MIS: 0

Thanks for all the debugging tips!!
I'll see what I can do today.
-- Fernando


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