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    SubjectRe: dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities]

    > > We already have the 'quiet' option, but even so, I think the kernel is *way*
    > > too verbose. Someone needs to make a personal crusade out of removing
    > > unneeded and unjustified printks from the kernel before it really gets better
    > > though...
    > The thing is, this comes up every once in a while (pretty often,
    > actually), but the bulk of those messages _do_ end up being useful. For
    > certain classes of bugs, I almost invariably ask for the bootup messages:
    > the PCI interrupt routing printou stuff is absolutely invaluable.
    > In fact, even the ones that have no "information" end up often being a big
    > clue about where the hang happened.

    Problem is that by now we have so much information that valuable
    scrolls up. Users start to missing trace dumps in bootup phase because
    it just scrolls away too quickly.

    I know that "no information" messages can be valuable, but they make
    messages with usefull information less likely to be noticed. And
    people start doing ugly stuff like

    *** This is really
    *** important message

    when they want their messages to be actually seen. Perhaps we should
    reduce ammount of that "no information" messages? I particulary hate
    "XXX driver registered" even when that driver has no hardware. Kernel
    is quite unlikely to hang at that point.

    > And those occasional people are often not going to eb very good at
    > reporting bugs. If they don't see anything happening, they'll just give up
    > rather than bother to report it. So I do think we want the fairly verbose
    > thing enabled by default. You can then hide it with the graphical bootup
    > for "most people".

    Does it mean that fbsplash done right would be ok for mainline? ;-).


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