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On Monday 05 December 2005 13:44, Alistair John Strachan wrote: >On Monday 05 December 2005 13:07, Pekka Enberg wrote: >> On 12/5/05, William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote: >> > I expect the closed source IP affairs rather to keep chipping away >> > until Linux is dead, or they get tired and change strategies to >> > kill it, versus any sudden changes of course. >> >> Alternatively, take away ndiswrapper and binary-only ATI and NVIDIA >> drivers, and perhaps the users will start to care and pressure their >> vendor to open up. I know I have become a very disappointed ATI >> customer after figuring out that they have zero interest in me using >> the hardware I paid for on Linux... > >The problem with this approach is the tiny size of the minority of > customers using ATI's video cards on a non-Windows OS. Hey, I resemble that remark. I've been using an ATI XTacy 9200SE for a couple of years now, since an nvidia card crowbared the buss & blew out a motherboard. Needless to say, I wasn't happy with nvidia over that. I bought a faster cpu & more ram on a different mobo for this machine. But, get this: Another new board, with the same cpu & ram on it, is now running that cpu 70F degrees cooler, at 200 mhz faster on the cpu clock. With another nvidia card in it, running my milling machine. >I think the only way we can persuade vendors to not take the direction > that Arjan speculates they will, is to increase the Linux userbase > (and therefore ATI customers using Linux) by making "Desktop Linux" > increasingly competent. I'm not a 'gamer' so the last frame per second isn't that important to me, but its close to 1000 on a small piece of a 1600x1200 screen. >As easy as it is to be pessimistic about binary vendor lockin, there's > still places in industry, government and inevitably the general public > where Linux is slowly starting to take off as a real desktop > alternative to Windows. Its been my alternative since 1998, never was windows here, coming in from the amiga world. > >When this happens, vendors will just have to solve all the IP nonsense >associated with their hardware, or design hardware to be more dependent > on firmware so that largely open source drivers are more feasible for > them. Don't hold your breath, its not healthy in the long view... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.36% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ | ||||||||||||
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