Messages in this thread | | | Subject | Re: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel | Date | Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:04:42 -0300 | From | Horst von Brand <> |
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Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de> wrote: > On Sat, 03 Dec 2005, David Ranson wrote: > > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > >- support for ipfwadm and ipchains was removed during 2.6
> > Surely this one had loads of notice though? I was using iptables with > > 2.4 kernels.
Sure had. They were scheduled for removal in march, 2005 a long time ago.
> So was I. And now what? ipfwadm and ipchains should have been removed > from 2.6.0 if 2.6.0 was not to support these.
Or in 2.6.10, or 2.6.27, or whatever.
> That opportunity was > missed, the removal wasn't made up for in 2.6.1, so the stuff has to > stick until 2.8.0.
Sorry, but the new development model is that there is no "uneven" series anymore. Sure, it /might/ open for worldshattering changes, but nothing of that sort is remotely in sight right now, so...
> > >- devfs support was removed during 2.6 > > > > Did this affect many 'real' users?
> This doesn't matter. A kernel that calls itself stable CAN NOT remove > features unless they had been critically broken from the beginning. And > this level of breakage is a moot point, so removal is not justified.
devfs was broken, and very little used.
> > >- removal of kernel support for pcmcia-cs is pending > > >- ip{,6}_queue removal is pending > > >- removal of the RAW driver is pending > > > I don't use any of these. I guess pcmcia-cs may be disruptive for laptop > > users.
> Who cares what you or I use? It's a commonly acknowledged policy that > "stable" releases do not remove features that are good enough for some.
Right, for a suitably large set of "some". If the set is too small...
> Linux 2.6 is not "stable" in this regard.
Right. The idea of "stable series" had to go. And went. -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile Fax: +56 32 797513 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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