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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:28:23 +0800 Michael Clark wrote: > Peter Williams wrote: > > > Randy.Dunlap wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:01:39 +0800 Michael Clark wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Peter Williams wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Michael Clark wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Lee Revell wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:03 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Monday 26 December 2005 17:54, Lee Revell wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 15:35 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Monday 26 December 2005 14:38, Steven Rostedt wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [snip] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I use pine and evolution. Pine is text based and great when I > >>>>>>>>>> ssh into > >>>>>>>>>> my machine to work. Evolution is slow, but plays well with pine > >>>>>>>>>> and it > >>>>>>>>>> handles things needed for LKML very well. (the drop down menu > >>>>>>>>>> "Normal" > >>>>>>>>>> may be changed to "Preformat", which allows of inserting text > >>>>>>>>>> files > >>>>>>>>>> "as-is"). > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> This is also the way to do it with Thunderbird. It will do the right > >>>>> thing (and disables all formatting changes such as line wrapping > >>>>> to the > >>>>> inserted text) if you select 'Preformat' before pasting in a patch > >>>>> - at > >>>>> least my Thunderbird 1.0.7 does this. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a > >>>>>>>>> long time. > >>>>>>>>> It will only line wrap things that you insert by typing; pastes > >>>>>>>>> are left > >>>>>>>>> untouched. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has > >>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>> problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline > >>>>>>>> patches and > >>>>>>>> even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong points to a > >>>>>>>> serious > >>>>>>>> usability/UI issue. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to > >>>>>>>> SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla > >>>>>>>> developers > >>>>>>>> at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem so far) > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> hopefully this will light a fire under someone. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Fundamentally the issue with Thunderbird is that it line-wraps > >>>>>>> AFTER you compose an email, not during composition. I've never > >>>>>>> understood how, or why this is useful to the end user, except for > >>>>>>> composing HTML emails (which should be banned anyway). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Thunderbird will not linewrap anything that is inserted in > >>>>> 'Preformat' mode. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Thunderbird is Yet Another mailer that could have been a good piece > >>>>>>> of software if it hadn't attempted to be a clone of Outlook Express > >>>>>>> (defaulting to Top Posting, HTML composition, line wrapping > >>>>>>> pastes). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's the mindset; fixing Thunderbird is probably easy, but > >>>>>>> convincing the Mozilla developers to include such "fixes" is > >>>>>>> probably much harder. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Should be trivial to fix, when the user puts the editor into > >>>>>> "Preformat" > >>>>>> mode or inserts a text file you surround it with <pre> tags. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Fix the user behaviour you mean? Get them to select 'Preformat' > >>>>> before > >>>>> pasting patches into Thunderbird. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> In my thunderbird, the "Paste Without Formatting" mode seems to be > >>>> continually grayed out (i.e. unavailable). I couldn't find anything > >>>> in the preferences that altered this situation. What's the secret? > >>>> > >>> > >>> I'm selecting 'Preformat' in the email compose window and using regular > >>> X Paste (middle button) - and it works for me (I can save the resulting > >>> message to a .eml and diff it against the patch and it is perfect). > >>> Perhaps the Debian/Sid Thunderbird has some patch? Don't know. > >> > >> > >> > >> so where is this 'Preformat' option? I don't see it. > > > > > > Nor me. > > > It is a drop down box in the Compose window just below the subject field > on the left (intially says "Body Text"). However, if one has disabled "Compose messages in HTML format", that drop-down list does not show up. So does this generate an HTML email, using <preformat> or <tt> etc.? If so, still bad. I'll test it to myself. > If you haven't got the rich text Compose enabled (not sure how you > disable/enable this but it was an option in Mozilla Mail) you can hold > down shift when you click 'Write'. > > I'm running Debian/Sid Thunderbird 1.0.7 BTW. --- ~Randy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ | ||||||||||||
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