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Randy.Dunlap wrote: > On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:01:39 +0800 Michael Clark wrote: > > >>Peter Williams wrote:>>>>>>>Michael Clark wrote:>>>>>>>>>>Lee Revell wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:03 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Monday 26 December 2005 17:54, Lee Revell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 15:35 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Monday 26 December 2005 14:38, Steven Rostedt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[snip]>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I use pine and evolution. Pine is text based and great when I >>>>>>>>>ssh into>>>>>>>>>my machine to work. Evolution is slow, but plays well with pine >>>>>>>>>and it>>>>>>>>>handles things needed for LKML very well. (the drop down menu >>>>>>>>>"Normal">>>>>>>>>may be changed to "Preformat", which allows of inserting text files >>>>>>>>>"as-is").>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>This is also the way to do it with Thunderbird. It will do the right >>>>thing (and disables all formatting changes such as line wrapping to the >>>>inserted text) if you select 'Preformat' before pasting in a patch - at >>>>least my Thunderbird 1.0.7 does this.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a >>>>>>>>long time.>>>>>>>>It will only line wrap things that you insert by typing; pastes >>>>>>>>are left>>>>>>>>untouched.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has >>>>>>>this>>>>>>>problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline >>>>>>>patches and>>>>>>>even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong points to a >>>>>>>serious>>>>>>>usability/UI issue.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to >>>>>>>SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla >>>>>>>developers >>>>>>>at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem so far) >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>hopefully this will light a fire under someone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fundamentally the issue with Thunderbird is that it line-wraps >>>>>>AFTER you compose an email, not during composition. I've never >>>>>>understood how, or why this is useful to the end user, except for >>>>>>composing HTML emails (which should be banned anyway). >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Thunderbird will not linewrap anything that is inserted in >>>>'Preformat' mode.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thunderbird is Yet Another mailer that could have been a good piece >>>>>>of software if it hadn't attempted to be a clone of Outlook Express >>>>>>(defaulting to Top Posting, HTML composition, line wrapping pastes). >>>>>>>>>>>>It's the mindset; fixing Thunderbird is probably easy, but >>>>>>convincing the Mozilla developers to include such "fixes" is >>>>>>probably much harder. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Should be trivial to fix, when the user puts the editor into >>>>>"Preformat">>>>>mode or inserts a text file you surround it with <pre> tags. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Fix the user behaviour you mean? Get them to select 'Preformat' before >>>>pasting patches into Thunderbird.>>>>>>>>>In my thunderbird, the "Paste Without Formatting" mode seems to be >>>continually grayed out (i.e. unavailable). I couldn't find anything >>>in the preferences that altered this situation. What's the secret? >>>>>>>I'm selecting 'Preformat' in the email compose window and using regular >>X Paste (middle button) - and it works for me (I can save the resulting >>message to a .eml and diff it against the patch and it is perfect). >>Perhaps the Debian/Sid Thunderbird has some patch? Don't know.> > > so where is this 'Preformat' option? I don't see it. Nor me. > > >>Note pasting from gnome terminal does not work (as it doesn't retain >>tabs) nor does xclip work with Thunderbird for some reason. I use a >>selection in emacs and paste that.> > > still not good.> > ---> ~Randy> -> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Peter Williams pwil3058@bigpond.net.au "Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious." -- Ambrose Bierce - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ | ||||||||||||
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