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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:01:39 +0800 Michael Clark wrote: > Peter Williams wrote: > > > Michael Clark wrote: > > > >> Lee Revell wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:03 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Monday 26 December 2005 17:54, Lee Revell wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 15:35 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Monday 26 December 2005 14:38, Steven Rostedt wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> [snip] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> I use pine and evolution. Pine is text based and great when I > >>>>>>> ssh into > >>>>>>> my machine to work. Evolution is slow, but plays well with pine > >>>>>>> and it > >>>>>>> handles things needed for LKML very well. (the drop down menu > >>>>>>> "Normal" > >>>>>>> may be changed to "Preformat", which allows of inserting text files > >>>>>>> "as-is"). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > >> This is also the way to do it with Thunderbird. It will do the right > >> thing (and disables all formatting changes such as line wrapping to the > >> inserted text) if you select 'Preformat' before pasting in a patch - at > >> least my Thunderbird 1.0.7 does this. > >> > >> > >>>>>> Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a > >>>>>> long time. > >>>>>> It will only line wrap things that you insert by typing; pastes > >>>>>> are left > >>>>>> untouched. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has > >>>>> this > >>>>> problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline > >>>>> patches and > >>>>> even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong points to a > >>>>> serious > >>>>> usability/UI issue. > >>>>> > >>>>> Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to > >>>>> SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla > >>>>> developers > >>>>> at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem so far) > >>>>> and > >>>>> hopefully this will light a fire under someone. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Fundamentally the issue with Thunderbird is that it line-wraps > >>>> AFTER you compose an email, not during composition. I've never > >>>> understood how, or why this is useful to the end user, except for > >>>> composing HTML emails (which should be banned anyway). > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> Thunderbird will not linewrap anything that is inserted in > >> 'Preformat' mode. > >> > >> > >>>> Thunderbird is Yet Another mailer that could have been a good piece > >>>> of software if it hadn't attempted to be a clone of Outlook Express > >>>> (defaulting to Top Posting, HTML composition, line wrapping pastes). > >>>> > >>>> It's the mindset; fixing Thunderbird is probably easy, but > >>>> convincing the Mozilla developers to include such "fixes" is > >>>> probably much harder. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Should be trivial to fix, when the user puts the editor into > >>> "Preformat" > >>> mode or inserts a text file you surround it with <pre> tags. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Fix the user behaviour you mean? Get them to select 'Preformat' before > >> pasting patches into Thunderbird. > > > > > > In my thunderbird, the "Paste Without Formatting" mode seems to be > > continually grayed out (i.e. unavailable). I couldn't find anything > > in the preferences that altered this situation. What's the secret? > > > I'm selecting 'Preformat' in the email compose window and using regular > X Paste (middle button) - and it works for me (I can save the resulting > message to a .eml and diff it against the patch and it is perfect). > Perhaps the Debian/Sid Thunderbird has some patch? Don't know. so where is this 'Preformat' option? I don't see it. > Note pasting from gnome terminal does not work (as it doesn't retain > tabs) nor does xclip work with Thunderbird for some reason. I use a > selection in emacs and paste that. still not good. --- ~Randy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ | ||||||||||||
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