Messages in this thread | | | Date | Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:01:39 +0800 | From | Michael Clark <> | Subject | Re: recommended mail clients [was] [PATCH] ati-agp suspend/resume support (try 2) |
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Peter Williams wrote:
> Michael Clark wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >>> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:03 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Monday 26 December 2005 17:54, Lee Revell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 15:35 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Monday 26 December 2005 14:38, Steven Rostedt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I use pine and evolution. Pine is text based and great when I >>>>>>> ssh into >>>>>>> my machine to work. Evolution is slow, but plays well with pine >>>>>>> and it >>>>>>> handles things needed for LKML very well. (the drop down menu >>>>>>> "Normal" >>>>>>> may be changed to "Preformat", which allows of inserting text files >>>>>>> "as-is"). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> This is also the way to do it with Thunderbird. It will do the right >> thing (and disables all formatting changes such as line wrapping to the >> inserted text) if you select 'Preformat' before pasting in a patch - at >> least my Thunderbird 1.0.7 does this. >> >> >>>>>> Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a >>>>>> long time. >>>>>> It will only line wrap things that you insert by typing; pastes >>>>>> are left >>>>>> untouched. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has >>>>> this >>>>> problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline >>>>> patches and >>>>> even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong points to a >>>>> serious >>>>> usability/UI issue. >>>>> >>>>> Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to >>>>> SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla >>>>> developers >>>>> at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem so far) >>>>> and >>>>> hopefully this will light a fire under someone. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fundamentally the issue with Thunderbird is that it line-wraps >>>> AFTER you compose an email, not during composition. I've never >>>> understood how, or why this is useful to the end user, except for >>>> composing HTML emails (which should be banned anyway). >>>> >>> >> >> Thunderbird will not linewrap anything that is inserted in >> 'Preformat' mode. >> >> >>>> Thunderbird is Yet Another mailer that could have been a good piece >>>> of software if it hadn't attempted to be a clone of Outlook Express >>>> (defaulting to Top Posting, HTML composition, line wrapping pastes). >>>> >>>> It's the mindset; fixing Thunderbird is probably easy, but >>>> convincing the Mozilla developers to include such "fixes" is >>>> probably much harder. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Should be trivial to fix, when the user puts the editor into >>> "Preformat" >>> mode or inserts a text file you surround it with <pre> tags. >>> >>> >> >> Fix the user behaviour you mean? Get them to select 'Preformat' before >> pasting patches into Thunderbird. > > > In my thunderbird, the "Paste Without Formatting" mode seems to be > continually grayed out (i.e. unavailable). I couldn't find anything > in the preferences that altered this situation. What's the secret? > I'm selecting 'Preformat' in the email compose window and using regular X Paste (middle button) - and it works for me (I can save the resulting message to a .eml and diff it against the patch and it is perfect). Perhaps the Debian/Sid Thunderbird has some patch? Don't know.
Note pasting from gnome terminal does not work (as it doesn't retain tabs) nor does xclip work with Thunderbird for some reason. I use a selection in emacs and paste that.
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