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    SubjectRe: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel
    Horst von Brand wrote:
    > Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sat, 03 Dec 2005, David Ranson wrote:
    >>
    >>>Adrian Bunk wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>- support for ipfwadm and ipchains was removed during 2.6
    >
    >
    >>>Surely this one had loads of notice though? I was using iptables with
    >>>2.4 kernels.
    >
    >
    > Sure had. They were scheduled for removal in march, 2005 a long time ago.
    >
    >
    >>So was I. And now what? ipfwadm and ipchains should have been removed
    >>from 2.6.0 if 2.6.0 was not to support these.
    >
    >
    > Or in 2.6.10, or 2.6.27, or whatever.
    >
    >
    >> That opportunity was
    >>missed, the removal wasn't made up for in 2.6.1, so the stuff has to
    >>stick until 2.8.0.
    >
    >
    > Sorry, but the new development model is that there is no "uneven" series
    > anymore. Sure, it /might/ open for worldshattering changes, but nothing of
    > that sort is remotely in sight right now, so...
    >
    >
    >>>>- devfs support was removed during 2.6
    >>>
    >>>Did this affect many 'real' users?
    >
    >
    >>This doesn't matter. A kernel that calls itself stable CAN NOT remove
    >>features unless they had been critically broken from the beginning. And
    >>this level of breakage is a moot point, so removal is not justified.
    >
    >
    > devfs was broken, and very little used.

    Perhaps there is a cause and effect relationship? If devfs worked I
    don't see the need for every distro to have it's own udev (or mdev or
    sdev or whatever the flavor is this month).
    --
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
    "The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
    last possible moment - but no longer" -me

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