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    SubjectRe: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
    On Monday November 21, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
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    > 2) Temporarily accept the ugly drivers. Let desktop development
    > continue. Work hard on getting the vendors to see the light and go
    > open source.

    I doubt they will see 'the light' for many years without dollar signs
    attached.

    A question worth asking is: Who needs whom? Do we (FLOSS community)
    need them (Graphics hardware manufactures) or do they need us?
    Despite growth in Linux on Desktops, I think we need them a lot more
    than they need us.

    There is no question that making drives for these card that work
    nicely with Linux and xorg will take some substantial effort. And it
    isn't work that can be easily spread around the community due to
    various trade secret issues. This suggests, to me at least, that the
    work needs to be done by a fairly small group of people who can sign
    NDAs with NVidia or ATI and work with their engineers and with the
    community to develop the right interfaces and to make drivers that
    have a minimal closed-source component that lives in user-space.

    Who is going to pay these people to do this work? If you agree with
    the analysis of 'who needs whom', the logical answer is 'us'.

    Maybe we need a small consortium of companies with vested interest in
    OSS each ponying up half a million, and use this to employ two teams
    of graphics experts, one of which works within NVidia, and one within
    ATI. I suspect the two companies could be convinced to take on some
    free engineering support, if it was presented the right way.

    Anyone got a few dollars to spare?

    NeilBrown
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