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    SubjectRe: New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs)
    > That is their choice, but there's no particular need to run a
    > kernel. Unless you're messing around with the kernel or have a hot
    > requirement for some new feature, why would running a stable kernel from
    > e.g. Debian not suffice? Debian is free and freely available, and it's
    > not the only distribution that is that way.

    In the past, my experience, shared by many users, I'm sure, has been
    that distribution kernels generally give you worse performance (IME RH)
    and less stability (IME Fedora).

    There's an increasing amount of hardware out there in wide-spread use,
    which have no drivers in either tree or distribution trees. The
    fragmentation between the distributions already make it impossible to
    get those drivers to compile on anything but the tree, unless
    the author of the driver is wealthy and has the resources and floorspace
    to have a few different machines with different distributions installed,
    and the time and resources for creating workarounds and Makefile
    trickery for each and every one. I don't mean binary drivers here, as
    they are usually backed by some corporation and target the usual

    Thus, we have a whole generation of users out there who grew up
    with the idea that the distribution kernel is just some bloated,
    bug-ridden and mostly incompatible monstrosity that is only barely
    good for bootstrapping kernel before starting to try
    compile the drivers for their hardware.

    Trying to change this idea is of course difficult, as everyone is
    afraid of change. "Will the drivers break next release?", "Will
    I have to stay with an old and exploitable kernel sometime
    in the future when the drivers no longer compile on anything
    but X.Y.Z, when distro is X.Y.(Z-3)-secfix42, and
    is up to X.Y.Z+5?"

    It might very well be that pushing out a large portion of the dev
    burden to the periphery will be good in the long term for the
    development of the kernel, but in short-term, I only see the
    fragmentation problem getting worse. I hope I can be
    brutally proven absolutely wrong, though. :-)
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