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    On Thursday 17 July 2003 22:22, Jeff Garzik wrote:
    > David S. Miller wrote:
    > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:00:58 -0400
    > >
    > > Jeff Garzik <> wrote:
    > >>David? Does Rusty have a plan here or something?
    > >
    > > It just works how it works and that's it.
    > >
    > > Net devices are reference counted, anything more is superfluous.
    > > They may be yanked out of the kernel whenever you want.
    > (I'm obviously just realizing the implications of this... missed it
    > completely during the earlier discussions)
    > Object lifetime is just part of the story.
    > This change is a major behavior change. The whole point of removing a
    > module is knowing its gone ;-) And that is completely changed now.
    > Modules are very often used by developers in a "modprobe ; test ; rmmod"
    > cycle, and that's now impossible (you don't know when the net device,
    > and thus your code, is really gone). It's already breaking userland,
    > which does sweeps for zero-refcount modules among other things.

    Most USB drivers can be unloaded at any time, so this problem already
    existed elsewhere.

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