Messages in this thread | | | From | Leonid Mamchenkov <> | Subject | Re: Red Hat Network ... | Date | Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:42:02 +0000 (UTC) |
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Dear Scott Taylor,
Once you wrote about "RE: Red Hat Network ...": ST> >> and yet another reason NOT to depend on RH ... ST> ST> Well put Terry, depend only on yourself.
Agreed. :)
ST> Still, there is nothing wrong with RH, other than they are looking ST> more and more like M$ every day. Oh well, someone has to make money ST> off this thing, and RH has put a lot into it, they deserve to get ST> some back, as do others that back and support Linux.
While I can understand the feeling some people have about RedHat these days, I certainly disagree. RedHat is a profit-oriented company and is very well expected to charge for something. RedHat's product is service. RedHat Network is one of them. You want a service, you pay the money. As simple as that. If you just need the updates, then you can easily get them from ftp://updates.redhat.com using either wget or any of the numerious scripts from http://freshmeat.net . Updates are _FREE_, and you have the _SOURCE_ for all of them. That's something M$ has a lot of troubles with. ;)
ST> So, now for all the time RHN saves me in searching for downloads to keep my ST> one out ten servers up-to-date, I'm not going to whine about filling out a ST> simple little survey. I might fudge anything personal and give them my ST> freemail.com address that I never check, but what can it hurt to give them ST> 2-3 minutes, even 10 minutes, of your time every 60 days. Compared to the ST> time I'm saving right now, as I respond to this silliness and RH updates my ST> server for me, and the time it took to grab that next coffee and fill out ST> some survey, it is nothing.
Actually, all comes down to money anyway. RedHat offers a "Basic subscription" which is only 60$ per year ( https://rhn.redhat.com/info/purchase_info.pxt ). Now, count 10 minutes every 60 days in the year, you get roughly 1 hour. If you make less then 60$ an hour, you are better of with the survey, otherwise just buy the damn thing. :)
ST> <snippet from previous link> ST> The carrots? There are implied sticks to most of these. Paid ST> subscribers will get instant access to ISOs as soon as they're out, ST> which means "no more long downloads from ftp sites, driving to the ST> store, or waiting for your friends to finish with their copy." ST> </snippet> ST> That doesn't sound so bad to me. If I was running 20 RH servers, this ST> would be a blessing. Back in the days of SCO Open Server I was paying a ST> large amount of money for their yearly support and updates products, not to ST> mention their per-user license. Now I do more work, serve more users on ST> more servers, for next to nothing, and I even have options to go it alone, ST> or choose something to save on time; excuse the cliche, time is money to me.
I am responsible for about 80 RH servers over here, and RHN actually SAVES us lots of money. Even considering the fact that we are running Enterprise subscription on half of them. That's a blessing.
ST> No, I'm not a RedHat Advocate, but I do believe in the Linux movement and ST> anything that makes it easier brings more people to the cause, that's a ST> good thing to me.
Nice words indeed. ;)
-- Best regards, Leonid Mamtchenkov, RHCE System Administrator Francoudi & Stephanou Ltd.
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