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    SubjectRe: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34
    Pete Zaitcev wrote:
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    > > From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
    > > Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:10:00 +0200
    >
    > >[...]
    > > Let's try a different show of hands: How many users would be happier if
    > > they knew that kernel developers are using modern techniques to improve
    > > the quality of the kernel?
    >
    > I do not see how using a debugger improves a quality of the kernel.
    > Good thinking and coding does improve kernel quality. Debugger
    > certainly does not help if someone cannot code.
    >
    > A debugger can do some good things. Some people argue that it
    > improves productivity, which I think may be true under some
    > circomstances. If your build system sucks and/or slow, and
    > if you work with a binary only software, debugger helps.
    > If you work with something like Linux, and compile on something
    > better than a 333MHz x86, it probably does not help your
    > productivity. This is all wonderful, but has nothing to do
    > with the code quality.

    Uh, I feel obliged to respond to these statements just in case
    anyone thinks they contain anything which is correct.

    I have spent twelve months doing kernel development without kgdb and
    eighteen months with. "With" is better.

    > And to think that your users would be happier with a crap produced
    > by a debugger touting Windows graduate than with a quality code
    > debugged with observation simply defies any reason.
    >

    uh-huh.
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