Messages in this thread | | | Date | Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:00:08 -0400 (EDT) | From | jamal <> | Subject | Re: RFC: per-socket statistics on received/dropped packets |
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Lincoln Dale wrote:
> At 08:33 AM 12/06/2002 -0400, jamal wrote: > > > i know of many many folk who use transaction logs from HTTP caches for > > > volume-based billing. > > > right now, those bills are anywhere between 10% to 25% incorrect. > > > > > > you call that "extremely limited"? > > > >Surely, you must have better ways to do accounting than this -- otherwise > >you deserve to loose money. > > many people don't have better ways to do accounting than this. >
Then they dont care about loosing money. There's nothing _more important_ to a service provider than ability to do proper billing. Otherwise, they are a charity organization.
> in the case of Squid and Linux, they're typically using it because its > open-source and "free".
I am hoping you didnt mean to say squid was only good because it has these perks.
> > they want to use HTTP Caching to save bandwidth (and therefore save money), > but they also live in a regime of volume-based billing. (not everywhere on > the planet is fixed-$/month for DSL). > > the unfortunate solution is to use HTTP Transaction logs, which count > payload at layer-7, not payload+headers+retransmissions at layer-3. >
Look at your own employers eqpt if you want to do this right. And then search around freshmeat so you dont reinvent the wheel.
> > > of course, i am doing exactly what Dave said to do -- maintaining my own > > > out-of-kernel patch -- but its a pain, i'm sure it will soon conflict with > > > stuff and is a damn shame - it isn't much code, but Dave seems pretty > > > steadfast that he isn't interested. > > > >You havent proven why its needed. And from the looks of it you dont even > >need it. > > i don't need it because i already have it in my kernel. > but thats where it ends -- its destined to forever be a private patch. >
And until you prove it is worth it and useful to other people then forever thats where it belongs. I now of nobody serious about billing who is using sockets stats as the transaction point.
> >If 3 people need it, then i would like to ask we add lawn mower > >support that my relatives have been asking for the last 5 years. > > lawn-mower support sounds like a userspace application to me. >
But we need a new system call support
cheers, jamal
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