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    SubjectRe: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin
    On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:59:03AM -0800, Josh MacDonald wrote:
    > Quoting Rik van Riel (
    > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Ingo Molnar wrote:
    > > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Larry McVoy wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > How much of the out order stuff goes away if you could send changes
    > > > > out of order as long as they did not overlap (touch the same files)?
    > > >
    > > > could this be made: 'as long as they do not touch the same lines of
    > > > code, taking 3 lines of context into account'? (ie. unified diff
    > > > definition of 'collisions' context.)
    > >
    > > That would be _wonderful_ and fix the last bitkeeper
    > > problem I'm having once in a while.
    > This would seem to require a completely new tool for you to specify which
    > hunks within a certain file belong to which changeset. I can see why
    > Larry objects. What's your solution?

    We actually can go from any line to the changeset which created that line
    relatively quickly (milliseconds in hot cache, second or so in cold cache).
    And we have a design which has been proven to work in the past at HP which
    would allow a fully general out of order, at the changeset level application
    of changes. It's a bit complex to describe here and it has been 6 months
    away from being done for 3 years, so don't hold your breath. I think the
    better short term answer is to fix the false dependency problem, use regular
    diff/patch for the places where there really are dependencies, and then do
    the completely general one.

    We are doing the general solution, which we call lines of development, our
    commercial customers want it as well.
    Larry McVoy lm at
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