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    Subjectnew virtualization syscall to improve uml performance?

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    Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:08:29 -0500 (EST)
    Subject: new virtualization syscall to improve uml performance?

    Hi -

    First, kudos to everyone who worked on user mode linux. I need to
    build distribution RPMs for a couple of pieces of free software I help
    maintain, and have this absurd dilemma about running recent RedHat
    releases (to get the latest code) or running older releases (to
    compile RPMs that will install on both older and newer systems). I've
    been trying to accommodate both needs by selectively picking and
    choosing older and newer RPMs to install on my system, and the result
    is a mess that won't compile anything! Anyway, I installed UML with
    the distributed RedHat 6.2 filesystem, fired it up, installed a few
    missing RPMs like make, and the software built fine. I think I've
    solved my dilemma...

    Anyway, I was reading about the design of UML, and it seems to me that
    its performance could be improved by adding a split privilege concept
    to Linux processes. A "normal" process would be "privileged".
    However, to support things like UML, a new syscall could put the
    process into "unprivileged" mode, which would cause any traps or
    faults (like syscalls or SEGVs) to drop the process into "privileged"
    mode at a controlled entry point. Adding an extra bit to the
    mmap/mprotect protection flags could specify memory mappings only
    accessible from privileged mode. Then, instead of all this hacking
    around with ptrace, we just put all the UML processes into
    unprivileged mode and trap their syscalls into their own addressing
    space. Thus, this sequence (which seems pretty common for UML):

    syscall trap -> process switch -> ptrace -> process switch
    -> getpid executes -> process switch -> ptrace -> process switch

    would be replaced with:

    syscall trap

    Would this be just more kernel bloat to support one application?
    Perhaps not. I have other utilities (a user-space HTTP file system,
    and code to do Plan 9-ish directory overlays) that need to intercept
    system calls. I currently do this using the LD_PRELOAD function of
    the shared library. This has the following disadvantages:

    1. a specially compiled glibc must be installed, because
    the standard one doesn't export all the needed symbols,
    2. newer versions of the OS/glibc cause problems if they
    introduce new syscalls (like open64) that don't get
    caught until you add more code just for them, and
    3. it's impossible to have any security, because the user
    code could just bypass glibc and make the syscalls directly

    UML has made me reconsider my approach. If I get around to it, I'll
    steal some of your code and try using a ptrace handler thread to catch
    the system calls instead.

    Since I now know of two completely different pieces of code that could
    be dramatically improved by adding user-process-level virtualization
    to the kernel, it might be something to consider. I spent some time
    in college working at an IBM VM shop, and am convinced that
    virtualization is a good_thing(tm). Until now, I had been thinking
    that the only real way to do it was through hardware processor
    support, that the broken Intel architecture just can't handle it, and
    that made hacks like VMware/plex86 necessary. I'm starting to
    reconsider that. Maybe you can add some basic virtualization support
    to the process model and win something. No, you can't completely
    mimic a standalone processor, but if you can add some specialized
    support to your slave kernel/OS/syscall handler/whatever, then you've
    got the ability to run a virtualized Linux, or to intercept and replug
    your system calls.

    Anyway, I don't read mailing lists much (sorry), so I apologize if
    this has already been discussed before. In the case, maybe you could
    direct me to a URL where the email is archived. If not, I welcome
    your comments...

    Brent Baccala
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