Messages in this thread | | | Subject | Re: Ideas for the oom problem | Date | Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:12:35 -0500 | From | Hacksaw <> |
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> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 06:33:04PM -0500, Hacksaw wrote:
> Why are they logged in as root in the first place? Is there something they > can't do over sudo?
I have the "Gnome workstation" version of rawhide (7.0.xxx) on my new laptop. I don't see sudo. Of course, it's rawhide, but you'd think, if it were in 7.0, it'd make it. Or maybe they decided that the gnome workstation didn't need it... Hmmm.
> I definitely remember seeing a document saying `if you find yourself needing to > `man foo', do it in another terminal as your non-root self'; it might or might > not've been the SAG.
Sucks if you are trying to figure out a VT problem.
> In any case, what happened to `if you use this rope you will hang yourself'? > There has to be a point where you abandon catering for all kinds of fool and > get on with writing something useful, I think.
Let's accept one thing: Root, should in fact, be allowed to do anything a regular user can. The fact that hanging is a possibility might ought to be pointed out. I have my shell set up to tell me I'm root. But the fact is, the typical sys-admin is essentially always logged in as root somewhere, and changing terminals to look at man pages is sometimes not an option.
For that matter, I have often figured out that something had funny permission problems by discovering that the problem goes away if I run a program as root.
Assuming everything root is doing must be sacrosanct is a pipe dream. Assuming everything a regular user is doing is expendable is BOFH think.
I do agree that you have to draw a line. I'm just saying that's the wrong one.
> > I completely agree that doing general work as root is a bad idea. I do most > > root things via sudo. It sure would be nice if all the big dists supplied it > > (Hey, RedHat! You listening?) as part of their normal set. > > RH have been listening since v7.0.
Good. I hope it comes out well in 7.1, considering my experience with rawhide.
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