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    Subject[RFC] sane access to per-fs metadata (was Re: [PATCH] Documentation/ioctl-number.txt)

    [cc'd to fsdevel, since trick described below may be of interest for other

    On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Kleikamp wrote:

    > Alexander Viro wrote:
    > >
    > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Kleikamp wrote:
    > >
    > > > Linus,
    > > > I would like to reserve a block of 32 ioctl's for the JFS filesystem.
    > >
    > > Details, please? More specifically, what kind of objects are these ioctls
    > > applied to?
    > I don't have all the details worked out yet, but the utilities to extend
    > and defragment the filesystem will operate on a live volume, so the
    > utilities will need to talk to the filesystem to move blocks, extend the
    > block map, etc.
    > The utilities will probably open the root directory and apply the ioctls
    > to it, unless there is a better way to do it.

    There is - and it may simplify your life, actually. Here's what can be
    a) Use _two_ DECLARE_FSTYPE in your filesystem. Say it, for JFS
    (normal) and jfsmeta. Make it FS_LITTER one.
    b) let jfsmeta_read_super() take a pathname as an option (say it,
    require "-o jfsroot=<some_path>")
    c) let it do lookup on that pathname and verify that it's on JFS
    error = 0;
    if (path_init(jfsroot, LOOKUP_FOLLOW|LOOKUP_POSITIVE, &nd))
    error = path_walk(jfsroot, &nd);
    if (error)
    /* fail */
    if (nd.mnt->mnt_sb->s_type != &jfs_fs_type)
    /* fail */
    d) store the reference to nd.mnt in superblock.
    e) Allocate root dentry (as usual) and whatever files you want
    (just pull the example from fs/binfmt_misc.c in -ac).
    f) Make read/write on these files whatever you want them to do -
    you can access the superblock of "master" JFS (see below)
    via the saved value of nd.mnt (d).
    g) in jfsmeta_put_super() do mntput() on pointer saved in (d).

    How it can be used? Well, say it you've mounted JFS on /usr/local
    % mount -t jfsmeta none /mnt -o jfsroot=/usr/local
    % ls /mnt
    stats control bootcode whatever_I_bloody_want
    % cat /mnt/stats
    master is on /usr/local
    fragmentation = 5%
    696942 reads, yodda, yodda
    % echo "defrag 69 whatever 42 13" > /mnt/control
    % umount /mnt

    That may look like an overkill, however
    * You can get rid of any need to register ioctls, etc.
    * You can add debugging/whatever at any moment with no need to
    update any utilities - everything is available from plain shell
    * You can conveniently view whatever metadata you want - no need to
    shove everything into ioctls on one object.
    * You can use normal permissions control - just set appropriate
    permission bits for objects on jfsmeta

    IOW, you can get normal filesystem view (meaning that you have all usual
    UNIX toolkit available) for per-fs control stuff. And keep the ability to
    do proper locking - it's the same driver that handles the main fs and you
    have access to superblock. No need to change the API - everything is already
    I'll post an example patch for ext2 (safe access to superblock,
    group descriptors, inode table and bitmaps on a live fs) after this weekend
    (== when misc shit will somewhat settle down).

    PS: Folks[1], I hope it explains why I'm very sceptical about "let's add new
    A{B,P}I" sort of ideas - approach above can be used for almost all stuff
    I've seen proposed. You can have multiple views of the same object. And
    have all of them available via normal API.

    [1] Hans, in particular ;-) Basically, that's the idea you keep mentioning -
    _everything can be represented as fs_. Take it one step further and you'll
    get _and the beauty of that is in the fact that you don't need new tools
    to use the thing - generic ones are fine_

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