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    SubjectRE: The new X-Kernel !
    This side thread is funny, everyone here is thinking too much like a
    developer :)

    Normal users really don't need to see the startup message spam on boot,
    unless there is an error (at which point it should be able to present
    the error to the user). Any kind of of progress indicator' s really
    more for feedback that the boot is proceeding ok. The fact the boot
    sequence isn't even interactive should also be a big hint that it isn't
    really necessary (except for kernel and driver developers).

    -----Original Message-----
    [] On Behalf Of Gábor Lénárt
    Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:04 PM
    To: john slee
    Subject: Re: The new X-Kernel !

    On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:37:47AM +1000, john slee wrote:
    > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 02:54:15PM +0200, Tim Jansen wrote:
    > > But what the kernel COULD do is include something like the Linux
    > > Progress
    > > Patch ( It replaces the text output of
    the kernel
    > > with graphics and a progress bar, so people are not frightened by
    > > text output while booting.
    > this is something for distributions to do... even if the world turned

    > inside out and it got included there'd be endless flamewars (and
    > patches) concerning what colour the progress bar should be by default.
    > i read an interesting essay about that sort of thing on a freebsd list

    > once - search on freebsd archives for "garden shed" or similar.

    Errrm ;-) It's very bad thing to hide boot messages even for novice
    users. They can't bugreport in this way ... I thing the best way would
    be the penguin logo at the top, and some pixel progress bar under Tux.
    The messages should remain IMHO. But this bar indicator confuses me. How
    do you calculate the remaining percentage? And of course this is kernel
    boot only. After init, you can start costum process to show an indicator
    bar to messure remaining tasks before hitting

    But IMHO *hiding* kernel messages is the worst thing you can do ...
    Probably a versatile parameterable boot logo + indicator setting tool
    should be implemented (and of course the right code to the kernel to
    render them on startup). It can include (let's say:)

    position and size of text area inside the screen (kernel messages)
    background picture progress bar indicator attributes, position

    and so on

    Again: I'm AGAINST this stupid thing but if many user wants ... However
    HIDING kernel messages would be bad move ....

    Major distributions include default kernels patched for nice boot
    screens, so IMHO it isn't an issue for us. A user how can COMPILE kernel
    himself probably does not want gfx-only boot screens .... or at least he
    can patch kernel before compile it.

    - Gabor

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