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SubjectRe: Avoiding OOM on overcommit...?
On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Peter T. Breuer wrote:

>"A month of sundays ago Marco Colombo wrote:"
>> > * Ok, demand-loading was easy, shared pages a little bit tricker. Shared
>> > * pages started 02.12.91, seems to work. - Linus.
>>
>> I don't think the above comment is about overcommitting swap space.
>> He's talking about sharing the text segments of processes, i think.
>> But you should ask Linus, I was not there at the moment (01.12.91) B-).

As I pointed out later, the interesting part is "demand-loading", which
demand-loads both text and data.

>And I arrived later too. But while we're on the subject of swap space,
>doesn't "reserve me 8MB of disk-based swap as backing for my stack" cure
>everyones OOM blues? I propose that that's a fair use for swap nowadays.

I don't know; what happens now if you use more than 8 MB of stack? Do "bad
things" happen, or does the kernel grow the stack?

If the stack can grow, this doesn't really help. And I'm not sure I like
the idea anyway; it's like optimizing for the worst case instead of the
common case.

>I don't _actually_ want to use swap myself, and having it there only
>as the "gold-standard" at the back of the IOU seems the best use.
>
>That only leaves malloc and fork overhead as candidates for unexpected
>segfaults. Malloc can be cured by the programmer touching the memory
>when he gets it.

Touching malloc()'ed pages doesn't solve anything -- this is no different
from the case of not touching them immediately, and trying to use them
later. The malloc() still returns a valid pointer but no real memory. If
you then try to touch the memory, what happens when the kernel can't get a
free page?

>Fork overhead is dealt with by having a reserve for the kernel.

Seems like a kludge to me.

Dave

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