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    SubjectRe: [Semi-OT,important] ORBS globally blocks users of these lists
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    "Khimenko Victor" <khim@sch57.msk.ru> writes:

    > ORBS has simple and consistent policy "be probed or be listed". Read the FAQ,
    > pleeease.

    NO, I'm not accepting ORBS as control instance or ruler over mail. This,
    I'm not even reading the FAQ. The correct policy is "spam/relay and be
    listed", not "if you block us we will corrupt your mail". No-one forces
    me to co-operate.

    > Not all sites they cannot probe. Only when there are information that sites
    > (or their ISP) are intentionally block ORBS's bots.

    Do you think I would tell them why I block them? I'd just blacklist them
    myself to get rid of them, without further ado.

    > MA> ORBS must not take action before they have evidence somebody has an open
    > MA> relay.
    >
    > You are right :-) They are not blacklisting sites just since SMTP
    > connection was rejected :-) They ARE blacklisting sites only when it's
    > clear that said sites are blocking ORBS's bots. It's done by humans,
    > not by bots and thus it's MUCH harder to pull host out of such
    > "manual" blacklist (bot will NOT remove you from said blacklist even
    > if you are stopped blocking - human should do this).

    The entire setup is wrong, and is supported by brain-dead
    administrators.

    > So said policy really needed. Sad but true.

    No. The policy is not needed. It is needed that you can track down
    spammers and make them pay, and you can track open relay and have them
    pay as well, since they helped the spammer.

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