Messages in this thread | | | From | tmuller@agora ... | Subject | Patch submission | Date | Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:01:58 -0700 (PDT) |
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Hi all,
After reading all the heated flame wars between everyone and then Linus' response, I feel that I have to tell anyone that reads this group a couple of things.
1) If for one instant, there are say 1k developers for the 6 million (estimated) install base of linux, and only 10% of them send in patches, that is over 100 patches that Linus has to look through. If this happens weekly, then he has a 100 patches to look at. But I think this is more of a daily thing and that looking through 100 patchs in a day is no walk in the park. Reading 100 emails a day from this group is really to much work as it is.
2) Even though he may think differently to this, Linus is human too. He can only do X number of things at a time before getting burnt out and then showing his burnout (see previous Linus response to the powertrip series) on the list. Don't egg him on. He is already under enough pressure.
3) If you think for one minute that a patch submitted is a patch in the kernel, you are completely wrong. Don't think "Well Linus has it, I can remove my patch and work on something else". Thinking this way is not how this group works. If you are unable to support your work, then you are not going to see it in any form in the kernel (see linus' email about this).
These are some of the things you should consider before blowing up on this list. This list is for development, not flaming. If you have a gripe, mail the person you want to gripe to. LEAVE THIS LIST OUT OF IT! There is already enough traffic on this list as it is.
Finally, I think that patch submittal needs to go through a series of peer revisions and that Linus should only accept patches through these peer channels. I'm not saying how this should be implimented, only that it SHOULD be implimented. The Linux kernel is getting big and Linus is only going to keep getting farther behind since there is only 24 hours in a day. I think that the effort that Linus has did in the 2.1.xxx series is great. He has stamina and the drive to go the extra mile to get things rolling. The only thing is that I think that this will eventually fade if Linus doesn't off load some of the responsibility to others. I still think that he should have final say, but other (like Alan Cox) should be in some kind of peer review loop that allows Linus to concentrate on just those in the peer group and not each individual developer as we are doing today. I think this would be a step in the right direction.
Comments? Questions? Email to ME! and those NEEDING to be in the loop. NOT THE ENTIRE LIST! Sorry for this flame to the list.
-- Thanks, Troy
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