Messages in this thread |  | | | Date | Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:35:22 +0200 (CEST) | | From | (Kristian Koehntopp) | | Subject | Re: Linus Speaks About KDE-Bashing |
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In netuse.lists.linux-kernel you write: >Thus spake Terry L Ridder (terrylr@tbcnet.com): >> Realizing that this costs money, I will gladly donate $100 USD >> to the legal fund to deal with the KDE-QT issue once and for all.
>Would you please pay your money to some programmer who then writes a Gtk >based Qt replacement under GPL instead of paying some "scum sucking, >bottom-feeding lawyers" with it? Thanks.
Right.
To Terry:
- KDE is 800.000+ lines of GPL. No problem for Gimp or anyone else.
- Qt is freely available to everything GPL, including Gimp and KDE. No problem here.
- Nobody GNU ever had a problem with Motif except that it sucks, or with linking against Motif, although Motif was never free. But with Qt, which is more free, this shall suddenly be a problem? You are kidding.
- There are warranties in place to ensure that Qt stays so, and Troll actively supports these. No problem here.
It was TOG, the very Motif TOG, that tried to own tons of contributed code for X11 (much more fundamental than Motif). And you complain about linking against Qt, but not about linking against Motif.
- Nobody GNU ever demanded that TOG provides a free replacement for Motif. Instead the GNU community got up and started LessTif themselves. But KDE or the Trolls shall be responsible for providing a free alternative? Why?
- Still, there is Harmony, the project for a free replacement of Qt and it is making good progress. So stop whining and help them, if you think that Qt's license is a problem.
But no, instead you start all over and create a second, incompatible toolGit throwing away several 100,000 lines of fine code that has already been written for KDE. Is it just me or is this really, objectively stupid?
- There is a problem left: I, the end user, will be forced to install two extremely large toolkits on my machine for the next five years. I will be forced to load two different GUI toolkit libraries into scarce memory the next five years. I will be forced to learn to operate and customize two different widget sets the next five years. And I will be forced to deal with interoperability problems the next five years.
I think that sucks.
And looking at the calendar I recognize that it was not KDE who started this unfortunate split. Perhaps the Qt license is problematic in your eyes. But Gnome was the most sucky approach to fix that particular problem that I can possibly imagine.
I really hate it (with "it" being "this situation").
So, if the G people (Gimp, GTK and Gnome) complain to the K people about "taking away their project", the K people have every right to complain about the G people doing just the same in the first place when they started the second desktop project. Calling Kimp unethical in this situation is highly hyprocritical in my eyes.
Thanks for listening. This just had to get out, Kristian
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