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SubjectRe: 2.1.98 Netscape hangs and more
Riley Williams <> writes:

> I have not yet tried any of the 2.1 series kernels with Netscape, so
> can't comment on that yet...

The problem of netscape is known, but no solution yet (other than switching
to Mozilla which seems to have fixed it, or using a proxy).

When you strace netscape when it is hanging you'll see that is in an endless

write(fd,"GET ...",..) = -EAGAIN

loop. This happens when netscape tries to connect to a remote server which
does not send a SYN-ACK back. Linux returns EAGAIN when someone tries to
write to a socket that is not connected yet. This should only happen when
select() disagrees with write() [because netscape thinks a socket is writable,
but it is not]. The output routine sees the EAGAIN, thinks it is just an
temporary error, tries again => Endless loop.

The EAGAIN return code in the not-connected-yet case is a bit unfortunate
[e.g. HP/UX uses ENOTCONN here which is more appropiate IMHO], but changing
it would probably break too many programs - also Solaris returns EAGAIN too.

That it happens with 2.1, but not with 2.0 points to a difference in
the 2.0/2.1 select policies. Both me and David Miller looked over the
code but couldn't find any difference that would explain that yet.

Note that I never managed to catch netscape with strace before the incident
happened - bonus points to anybody who can supply the last 30 system calls
or so _before_ the endless loop happens. That would help tracking it down
a lot.

Mozilla seems to have fixed it, I've never seen it with mozilla. Another
workaround is to use a proxy, because the connection to the proxy usually
works fast, skipping the "dangerous" SYN_SENT phase quickly.


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