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SubjectRe: emacs
Please, this is not an appropriate forum for the comparison of editors,
warts, or ethical, moral, religious or cultural myth structures...and
there are some who would claim that editor-comparisons fall under all
these groupings.

DON'T get us started...Just....don't.
D


Clayton Weaver wrote:
>
> On 26 Mar 1998, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> > - I'm distrustful of projects that do not have well-defined goals, and
> > well-defined interfaces. They tend to bloat and do "everything" over
> > time. This is what gives us horrors like GNU emacs and Mach: they
> > don't try to do one thing well, they try to do _everything_ based on
> > some loose principle ("LISP is good" or "microkernels make sense" or
>
> "You vile heretic."
>
> I remember my first unix login. I needed to edit an rc file. Since I had
> Unix in a Nutshell handy, I started vi. It kinda did things when I pressed
> keys (I could move to the next line), but I got so lost on a regex
> replace that it wouldn't respond to keystrokes and I had to break the
> connection from my dial-up comm program.
>
> When I logged back in (having browsed a few more pages of UiaN), I
> started emacs. This is what I saw (earlier version, actually, on SunOS):
>
> Gnu Emacs 19.34.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) of [date] on [host]
> Copyright (C) 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>
> Type C-x C-c to exit Emacs.
> Type C-h for help; C-x u to undo changes.
> Type C-h t for a tutorial on using emacs.
> Type C-h i to enter Info, which you can use to read GNU documentation.
> (`C-' means to use the CTRL key. `M-' means use the Meta (or Alt) key.
> If you have no Meta key, you may instead type ESC followed by the
> character.
>
> Type F10 or M-` to use the menu bar.
>
> [lack of warranty, copying conditions, how to get most recent
> (sometimes mule-muddled 20.2 at the moment) version]
>
> I managed to edit the rc file without having to logout with the big
> red switch, and have since considered emacs notorious bloat (1/10th of
> Netscape size) to be a small price to pay for software that doesn't
> lose my work.
>
> It doesn't matter that it tries to do everything, because it does the one
> or two things that I use it for reliably, and you can mentally "swap out"
> how part of it works because you can always look it up again (easily, not
> obscurely) with ctrl-h. If you happen to remember from the last time you
> executed some obscure function six months ago, fine, but that's not
> required because the (mode-or-function sensitive) help is usually a
> keystroke away.
>
> Even if one moves on to vi to lose some of emacs memory footprint when one
> becomes more expert, emacs gets you through those first two weeks with
> minimal pain and misery. Dismissing it out of hand underestimates emacs'
> contribution to unix (and thus linux) initial usability, imho. It's a
> foot-in-the-door program.
>
> Regards, Clayton Weaver cgweav@eskimo.com (Seattle)
>
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