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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Bill Broadhurst wrote: > > Yep , I also do not understand why people oppose GGI > > > > some say that GGI make kernel bigger, and then they use > > use X windows , how much memory does X take ? > > > > what does the kernel size matter if people use applications > > that take terrible amounts of memory compared to that what the kernel > > takes. > > > > There are plenty of reasons for why GGI is the best thing ever > > for Linux, and I really hate that some people are so blinded > > on their own views. > > Not blinded, just indifferent. I don't want GGI in the kernel > because I don't want to waste space on my system for it's code. The kernel is something that is always going to expand in size (in terms of the size of the source code). I don't think it is a valid argument to exclude something just on the grounds that it makes for a bigger download, and more hard disk space once unpacked. It might be an inconvenience to some users, such as yourself, however it would not be too difficult to write a script that would delete unneeded stuff out of the kernel tree. In fact someone just recently posted a patch to this list I believe that stores the entire kernel source tree as a bunch of blah.c.gz compressed source files, and decompresses each one on the fly. Lets not let personal preferences stifle progress and creativity. We all have different needs/wants/uses for Linux, and making a single kernel that will please everyone is next to impossible. > Not that space is an issue, I have many megabytes free. I just > object to having to waste any of it just because some bimbo > wants graphics. So, space isn't an issue then, and thus not a valid argument. Name calling is not a valid argument either. I don't see the relationship between someone "being a bimbo", and someone wanting to include GGI in the kernel. Arguments/debates hold a lot more weight when you stick to the facts, and don't resort to name calling and other such self defeating antics.. > > many programmers would love to have very simple low level > > graphics interface that does not take too much time to learn and > > is fast. > > > > My personal opinion as an user who has used X windows > > for 6 years, is that X windows is dead system and keeping > > it as only choise for graphical programs and multimedia > > seriously limites interest for making graphical programs > > for Linux. > > As it should be. Graphics should be an add-on for those who want > to use them. Not forced on the rest of us who don't want 'em. And it WILL be just that. GGI doesn't mean that everything is graphical, nor does it mean that there is graphics code inside the kernel. If you had read the GGI webpages, and their mandate, you would be aware of this fact. If GGI is included sometime in the future into the mainstream kernel, I highly doubt that ANYONE will be FORCED to compile it in. It would probably default to: < > KGI - Kernel Graphics Interface support? Notice that it may be a module... This is what they are planning to do I believe, make it a config option for GGI/KGI support, and then allow it as a module, as well as being built right in. > I don't use X and I won't use GGI, so I will object to having either > in the kernel. I don't use SCSI cards, and don't use UNIX sockets, and if I were to object to them being allowed in the kernel, I think I'd be peeing up a rope. There is a difference between 'preferences' and 'options'. Options are things that you can either choose to use, or choose not to use. Preferences are things that you prefer, and when there are options, you can decide which option you like based on your preferences - and everyone is happy. By not allowing options, one can't decide to go with their own preferences, and are thus stuck with a totalitarian 'this is the way I like it so everyone else can just deal with it regardless of their own reasons' attitude. Options are progress, resistance to change for the better, and resistance to other peoples ideas is counterproductive, and doesn't help out with anything at all in the long run. We should be working together to contribute to a better whole for EVERYONE, rather than focusing in on our own personal preferences. That is my humble opinion anyway. Yours may vary, as your ideas may be different than mine. Mike A. Harris | Homepage: http://blackwidow.saultc.on.ca/~mharris Computer Consultant | I collect and browse commercial email sent to: root@127.0.0.1 URL: Sun Microsystems http://www.sun.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu | |||||||||
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