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    SubjectRe: NTP dumps Linux, film at 11. [Fwd/FYI]
    In article <3662BCB4.F980EC8F@ktk.bidmc.harvard.edu> you wrote:
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    : Dear Linus,

    : I thought I would forward a piece of mail to you from one of the NTP
    : developers. Linux has fallen from grace in their eyes (which you
    : perhaps already know). They are actively suggesting that people who
    : need to use time synchronization (NTP) switch to using freebsd.

    : The cited problems with Linux are that the published interfaces to the
    : kernel (adjtimex and friends) change too frequently to be supportable.
    : (The recent /proc/pci discussion is tangential but worth noting.) The
    : slews of bug reports received by them are almost invariably about the
    : Linux platform; other platforms do not seem to suffer. I've been
    : actively testing the recent NTP implementations (ntp 4.0 series), trying
    : to report bugs as seen under Linux 2.0, but enthusiasm for fixing the
    : bugs on their end is all but nil.

    : Kris

    : --
    : Kristofer Karas * kXtXk@bigfoot.com (delete X's)
    : AMA/CCS DoD RF900RR HawkGT !car * Senior systems engineer/SysAdmin
    : "Build a system that even a fool can use, * BI Deaconess Medical Center, Boston
    : and only a fool will want to use it." * Will design LISP machines for food

    Since I use NTP on my machines, I will do whatever I can to make sure
    it works properly on Linux. We have ways to deal with adjtimex in
    glibc 2. But I don't think it will work for libc 5. Please make
    sure you are running a glibc 2 based system. If you still have
    problems, please send me a note at hjl@lucon.org. BTW, where can I
    find ntp 4.0?

    Thanks.

    H.J.
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    : To: Kris Karas <ktk@ktk.bidmc.harvard.edu>
    : Subject: Re: Testing fails - 4.0.90 [ntp-4.0.90b is available for testing]
    : In-Reply-To: Kris Karas's (ktk@ktk.bidmc.harvard.edu) message
    : dated Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:20:55. <365C66A7.46B952ED@ktk.bidmc.harvard.edu>
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    : Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:03:15 -0500
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    : From: Harlan Stenn <Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com>

    : Kris,

    : Dave would know better which tools are useful for debugging.

    : One problem we've had is that the Linux kernel/syscall folks have a habit of
    : changing things in the published (kernel) algorithms and code, and then
    : wonder why things don't work...

    : It's more than neither Dave nor I have any Linux boxes - we've both looked
    : at them and have decided to not run them anymore.

    : H

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    : To: ktk@ktk.bidmc.harvard.edu (Kris Karas)
    : Subject: Re: Testing fails - 4.0.90 [ntp-4.0.90b is available for testing]
    : References: <o41zmwhi8s.fsf@whimsy.udel.edu> <73bm1e$2t1$1@news.mch.sbs.de> <b177ce$73a2.274@mail.five-ten-sg.com> <o4pvaerrgj.fsf_-_@whimsy.udel.edu> <73cqsu$vio$1@mufasa.harvard.edu>
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    : From: Harlan Stenn <Harlan.Stenn+gnus@pfcs.com>
    : Date: 24 Nov 1998 20:54:49 -0500
    : In-Reply-To: ktk@ktk.bidmc.harvard.edu's message of "23 Nov 1998 23:25:18 GMT"
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    : What's your drift value?

    : Have you considered converting to FreeBSD?

    : H

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