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    SubjectRe: include file conflict
       Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:03:15 +0100 (MET)
    From: (Guest section DW)

    It works if (a) the kernel the header file is carefully constructed to

    It requires some discipline on the part of the kernel programmer, but
    can be done.

    Hmm, a peculiar answer. I quote historical facts, and you tell me
    that I am wrong and as corroboration mention a hypothetical future.

    No, it's not a hypothetical future; it's a which we've been living in
    some cases. Take a look at serial.h, from Linux 1.2, 2.0, and Linux
    2.1.latest. An old setserial will compile using the latest serial.h,
    and vice versa --- the latest setserial will work with an 1.2 serial.h,
    thanks to a very carefully designed header file. It might work with
    Linux 1.0 as well, but I don't have Linux 1.0 sources easily around to

    So yes, you're wrong. There are counter-examples where you can compile
    an old program with new kernel header files. Yes, the kernel changes
    rapidly, but that doesn't mean the kernel interface doesn't have to
    change rapidly. And, in the case of serial.h, I left space in
    structures to allow for future expansion, so that we *could* add new
    features to the serial.h interface without breaking old programs.

    And in any case, yes, I'm much more interested in the future than the
    past. For the purposes of designing *future* kernel interfaces, and
    redoing existing kernel interfaces, the best thing to do is to create a
    well-designed kernel header file, which is where the master copy of the
    interface is located, and to copy the kernel header file to user
    programs. But on top of that, it may very well be useful to
    automatically take the newer version of the kernel header file, if you
    can trust that the kernel programmer only puts backwards-compatible
    changes into the kernel header file.

    - Ted

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