lkml.org 
[lkml]   [1998]   [Jan]   [5]   [last100]   RSS Feed
Views: [more markup]  [less markup]  [headers]  [forward] 
 
Messages in this thread
/
DateTue, 6 Jan 1998 00:46:09 +1100
FromRichard Gooch <>
SubjectRe: PROPOSAL: /proc/dev
Andrea Arcangeli writes:
> On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, James Mastros wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Richard Gooch wrote:
> >> 
> >> >The reason my scheme doesn't depend on kerneld is that if a driver is
> >> >built-in/loaded by a boot script, the /dev entries for that driver are
> >> >registered in the startup code. So, on a system like mine where all
> >> >drivers are either built-in or automatically installed by a boot
> >> >script, /dev would be fully populated. An attempt to open(2) an entry
> >> >in /dev which did not exist would cause devfs to return -ENODEV
> >> >because kerneld isn't running.
> 
> ...and if kerneld is running kerneld will "mknod" the device in /devfs.

No, kerneld will load the module and the driver will call
dev_register() which will create the entry.

> >> - You could implement that more easily without use kerneld.
> >Yes, but then we don't have module autoloading.
> 
> I am not talking about modules. The open(2) implementation that Richard
> proposed in the paragraph above is whole related to static device and not
> only module.
> 
> >> - I think this is totally wrong for programs or people that check in /dev
> >>   for a device before try to open it, or at least is a mess.
> >WHAT!!!  The whole point of a virtual devfs is that you can do a "ls /dev"
> >to see what devices are currently accessable.  And most actions on a divice
> >start with a call to open() (or mount()).
> 
> Richard in the paragraph I quoted, proposed a devfs implementation that
> don' t show what devices are currently accessible, but only the ones
> opened(2).

No, *all* devices available through built-in drivers and loaded
modules are shown. And devices registered through modules previously
loaded but now unloaded are also shown.

> >> - If you want to make something useful, your devfs must be populated from
> >>   _all_ kernel devices at boot with 600 permission and it must not remove
> 
> Obviously I want to mean _all_ and __only__ kernel devices linked or
> insmodded with the kernel. 

Er, yes, that's what I suggested...

> I know but I am a bit conservative when all just works perfect and
> efficient...

Well, I don't agree that the existing scheme is efficient. It "works"
but it's clumsy.

				Regards,

					Richard....
\
 
 \ /
  Last update: 2005-03-22 12:41    [from the cache]
©2003-2008