Messages in this thread | | | Date | Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:45:41 -0700 (PDT) | From | Alex Belits <> | Subject | Re: UTF-8, OSTA-UDF [why?], Unicode, and miscellaneous gibberish |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Erik Corry wrote:
> Unicode is regularly extended, and is incredibly complete in
...by a commitee. And they don't release free implementation of it or updates to existing ones after that.
> the area of Japanese characters (which I know a little > about). I am sure it is/could be as complete for Chinese. > There are even private areas for your own extensions. What > more could you want?
Japanese and Chinese characters encoding that Japanese and Chinese people use, perhaps?
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> Linux has already standardised on UTF-8 for the console.
(looking at the console...) No, still looks like koi8-r for me... Having the internal support doesn't mean that it's usable enough to make it mandatory everywhere.
> The > suggestion of converting all file systems to a single > encoding is probably a useful one, and should probably > available as a (default?) mount option.
It should be possible to _choose_ mapping as the mount option, not "UTF-8 or all filenames will be truncated to the first letter because second one is zero".
> > This is _JUST_ for 16bit+ filesystems. Not 8bit filesystems like ext2 or > > the like. > > As far as I understood, ext2 had already been standardised on UTF-8. > Of course most (all?) of the effects of this decision take place > in user space, so people are free to do something else if they really > want to. Especially people who prefer an 8-bit standard (no '/' issue).
I'm not aware of any development of Unicode-using tools. And unless sh / bash / grep / awk /... will work with UTF-8 as with native characters (that means, variable-length-encoded character is treated as one character, and what I don't think, anyone will make any soon), no one will use it for anything decent. If I wanted to use a sysatem with cryptic text processing in library and no text utilities for scripts, I'd used NT.
> Even without a big discussion on linux-kernel. Hint, hint.
There was big discussion in FTP-WG ML already -- even though two people who were the only non-iso8859-1-native ones, disagreed, look at their "wonderful" i18n draft with "UTF-8, or we will guess the encoding by the content, and if yours one happens to look like valid UTF-8, you lose!" attitude.
-- Alex
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